Jan 5, 2017|
Open the show with some college hoops talk (that ends rather quickly), talkin' Blazers and Cj McCollum's play of late, and the NFL MVP: who should win?
Why is the NBA fascinated with PB&J sandwiches, Swag has another edition of Stat or Story, and is it Kraft Mac & Cheese or Velveeta Shells & Cheese.
Jerry Allen voice of the Ducks, checks in from Oregon practice at the Sweet 16, plus Pat Casey, HC of the #1 OSU Baseball team, and what potential rule changes are the NFL considering for 2017.
The guys wonder if the Blazers loss to Bucks will haunt their playoff efforts...check in with Terry Mills of UM radio and wonder how many teams left in NCAA tourney have a legit chance to win it all.
Head Coach of the #1 ranked Oregon State Baseball Team, Pat Casey, joined the guys to discuss his team's fast start, and series this weekend with #9 Arizona.
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Yeah what's up everybody it's dirt when I think you for tickets in time out to listen to be podcast of our show brought to you by less Schwab tires doing the right thing since 1952. A. Okay. This is durden spray it. Within the injured Johnson and Brendan spray and tiger forces you made tons of threes but there was a defense of the it was his selfless contribution to the team. Doing whatever it takes to get the job done what are remarkable percentage. It. There's really good stuff dirt and spray gun 1080 days. Wow. The game Bill Walton admitting he's a. Show calling jordin. Jordan Bel Air really good stuff is good stuff man does he drink bud lite two and as our side Tyler doors CS as me Tyler Norris really good stuff I didn't know I mean we do have our change picks coming up I didn't think that meet changing the slogan of Bud Light would have that big of an impact but apparently it has your welcome Bud Light sometimes just making it. Right to the point is the best thing I think affiliate advertisers powerful in her over thing things sometimes. Good stuff is a great slogan. A Bud Light skid stuff good stuff man it is good stuff is perfect you can you can use the good stuff slogan for so many different products I also feel like Joseph is trying to tell us some of the open like hey I'm really into college basketball this year and everybody else's a lot of colleges and there I miss the end of Villanova Butler site NC a Butler upset in my some don't know was up owning land on those prize went. Good call on that. I told you organ was gonna roll watch ads they dominated the Huskies last night they started off slow and it's like Dylan Brooks had 3000 the first half it didn't matter for them I will admit I didn't see much indeed for game unfortunately I did not flip over the pac twelve network after deducting in my chose to want to blazers instead at his yourself wishing you'd paid organ state aside Giroux as somebody that watched a little bit don't they are not flipped over romantically. And now wants to lose a lead in the a year the idea the manpower for the organ state beavers well I have wants a lot of games this year. And ninety. That's is it's just tough to watch right now and the ducks that deducts a gut it like it's a different level product right now. Is caused does most things this year people ideas for duck fans I think I do you think that though I honestly did that after the UCLA game especially like may I think pre season there was tight and then brand they lost two games of their first what four. So I think that that faded out a little bit and then you come out you beat undefeated UCLA on a game winning three battled Ichiro back and I think yes it was kind of like the unofficial start of called ask a lot of good gains led the Huskies lot of upsets I think. Three top eleven teams lost last night. Yet the woman the Huskies last good decent it's a Huskies win and when is Washington last good. They've always had talent they are all exact problem for Omar always had time they've got the dead best player in the nation is committed to all they do he had Michael Porter junior Nicky price or Brandan Wright played in the LSI yeah yeah I it's unbelievable how bad they are. I think with the talent that they have on that roster and not be more successful. The runs around Mars a terrible asked him what here's the cracks this is almost a catch 22 what do you do if you're watching as you would you would assume. Washington you know Seattle great basketball scene really good basketball high school programs. You would assume you could get a coach and recruiting would be fine. I'm telling you guys I've talked a lot of people in college basketball that no world Marin kind of watched the way he's operated since he got that gig. He truly is one of the premier recruiters in the country I look at the recruiting classes year in and year out always has a good staff that does it he's a really good closer like you can fire because he's a bad coach. What happens if you lose all that talent you lose all those recruits they're not gonna come to Washington anymore. And we were at the LSI last week and it was like all right so here a year players to watch you can they give me these sheets right high school is we don't know anything about these high school teams yet and they give you the sheets and it basically for every team who is the guy it's being recruited there -- two players are all Huskies now I know so and so he's committed to Washington I was so and so he can't sign yet but he's going to be Huskies also was offered by Washington is only a sophomore but he's leaning towards Washington is like weight why and how are they below 500 losing by Tony was the last good Washington team and Jon Brockman led team. Probably would be my guess Terrence Ross. No assurance Ross teams were very good I didn't do much now. No they weren't true. Yeah it's been awhile that I think it's proximate unless I'm forgetting a year they have that one kitty into two for it yet the 21 names. In this same name his first and last name who's the kid it was again it was the ten member of the tenth. Oh that was. It really good stuff and after the paranoia. Benoit over ten over ten is that right is that his last name Petraeus and the last time they made the sweet sixteen unbelievable last time you wanna take a guess. Brandon Roy and now laughter brand rhyme Brockman. 20092010. I think that was Brock that was the last and they have not made the NCAA tournament since 2010. What was the kid who is the point guard he was highly recruited he had literally the same first and last name. Become a mum about what was his godless is the memories are just about radio I know you're talking about bike remember his name now goes is that those who helped organize your ties to ask are pretty good to hear the name one more on the bubble above. A Jiabao Obama you know a guy. I like how we just started our hot college basketball talk apparently an interesting yeah yeah that's right thank you. He's a game wasn't yeah it's expensive I couldn't remember his name is a TIL product and literally just his name because he was named first and last. I've missed somebody said guys it's college basketball no one care. Take a few people care using organ fans roped into college basketball I think ducks and does care I really do I think because of the UCLA went in last night because of the fact they replaying the Huskies on national TV I think people got roped and see here's the problem this is where might this is my contention in my tower. I feel. And this can be said for a lot of programs I feel duck fan likes to say they're paying attention they're not. Is cause mass woods doesn't rate. Well yes yeah the best ratings are bad the best game of college bass what was Kentucky Carolina. You can't you may need to debate was boring you silly because local time cracked me if I'm wrong durable games on that day though right. Kentucky Carolina was the best cause vastly we've had yet and B I team or the bell Boehlert some boy I've never heard of beat the ratings and they'll pull members of the it was some random vulnerable life people in the stadium watching the game but I everybody in my country you sensing that over a million people at all a huge college basketball game and it is it's on other monster dog I'll give you that but I I able I'll stick to my guns I think duck fan as intrigued only seven games you won't watch probably don't like the Washington State keepers Washington State's Oxley Primerica watch that one. But that the big time games and it will get roped in India attendance has been decent so far adds I think the care level is up and you Julie sold out the UCLA game denying I would hope you can keep that's the first cell I don't have an awfully long time I know I just some sand if you cancel 99 against big fish I would almost say ducks in May be paying more attention to recruiting. In college basketball and that sounds crazy but I think the tiger higher puts you in that situation. Well football's always bigger basketball and I totally understand that manipulate Anthony gender and guides in at five from terrified that football it was 48 this year. As a Matty got a new coach Tim does beginning this does chapter I think he will be distracted yeah naming it. I think you'll be distracted into dozens in there enough February when sunny day comes up and you start to actually see the names who were wholeheartedly committed in the guy's sign. Right now is just kind of whispers in the wind of so and so's committee soul and so is taking a visitors so and so's thinking about it. None of its concrete I think you're gonna following basketball team. That violation be ranked much higher than fifteenth in the Contra I mean there there are top ten program they're they are nobody would I especially want the losses which is a bad loss early was Baylor Baylor is not about to be the number one team in the 'cause we thought that was a bad loss at the time because they want raked and now it turns up Baylor is pretty damn good yeah. And I know people are paying attention but I I also believe. When you get a new coach. The turning of the program in trying to get program back where it was. And nobody likes to admit this we all love drama gossip reality television stuff. There's a little bit of that with Taggart organ of just eight. Have you heard either recruiting now eight did you hear who's visiting like there's DOS simple little bears there's tabloid type style. Like people eat that stuff Taggart has done a good job of firing the troops out there's attention being given to the program that finished forty last in the north he hired a coach Pam. He hired at it let me repeat that he hired to coach him we will talk about Willie Taggart has you on prime time yesterday we'll start about the program. One of his higher she made her his running back coaches Donte' Templeton who's coming from South Florida yeah. His Twitter handle. Is act coach underscore hemp which attempt. Coach pimp on Twitter now if if you're gonna replacing Gary Campbell which is nearly impossible to do Gary Campbell is one of the best running back coaches in the country had been their for so long was the best dressed coach in all of college football if you've never seen as sewage is due to lump. If you're gonna try and replace a guy like that coach Tim does a good place to start well I say missed a golden opportunity and not call on themselves on the tenth. You know with for tonight on you know like you know what I want to stay active coach Don pimp thought I had gotten even better bed and nobody knocked it Jack to visit Dante when Marico buoyant if he contacts Gary Campbell and borrows a couple sued the state is going exude the latest feather in the back get McCain to walk non whip on Saturdays is contact first Taylor hall of him he I have to talk to Joseph sitting at the end the technicolor dreamcoat and be like Craig Elmer. Joseph and a technicality and so he needs to get detain that would be perfect indigo with a coach pimple on Twitter that's one of the few plays that actually seen live in person. Joseph and technicolor dreamcoat you've seen apple I have seen that play I've always wanted to just because of that signed celebs that I never have graced Lockett down now that the hat blows into the furry Hattie picks it up puts it on. And somebody's in your wrongs rate organ friends are watching I I don't know we have we we all say we're watching college basketball the ratings is tell us nobody does well last night had a lot on the call against him which is to battle rolled in and it's all right well it either wrote she went and it turned job I discuss that when you're out. And they'll all the love hate factor 'cause he called UCLA game and he said conference champions probably 37000 times. And just it was a deal like Bill Walton do you enjoy him on the call will him in past have this back and forth relationship where they go at each other and people think they hate each other betting it's this kind of part of the dynamic yeah. And yet a moment last night you're gonna go to commercial. And they went back and forth on jordin bell and a valuable years. And he was joint he got real smug on passion he was like you said jordin she'll wasn't valuable social glories you'll. And they would commercially picking Jordan now he says Iran name right there. That's not a good way to win an argument like our seniors say the wrong behavior gonna win an argument you gotta make sure you use in the right namely doing is really good stuff and there's really get Saddam rate dropped. It is certainly not a great somebody text into Derek Sprague. Good stuff is really good stuff we appreciate that compliment hey I got a fantastic show we gotta give the at the playoffs buddy yeah we do we got a taxing G. Bob clear today yes we are going to talk some magic tutor das has day dust and previewed the wildcard matchup that you hear right here on the fan this week in between the lines and see I DN Miller line's play by play for the radio. He will join us out 1 o'clock we have the lines perspective. And then we'll also get the CR perspective what our good friend Warren Moon who bet on several times throughout the year he'll join the show today. At 230 so we both radio voices of the lions and the Seahawks get a glimpse and get a good preview. Also talked Richard Sherman who's may or may not be boycotting the median Seattle Richard Sherman has been very strange last couple weeks he had some more stuff Kamal last week now it sounds like he's boycotting and then now perfectly timed he wrote a player's Tribune piece today to the fans of course he did right. Trying to defend himself appetite and media the media yeah exactly at the big thing Kate Ron director and Sprague at Peter Johnson an act Brandon Sprague is going to be a fantastic Thursday's show. And coming up next. The blazers battle closely with the warriors last night. Ending game led me to one opinion and I've changed my mind on not to what that is turned spray on 1080 the fan. And. This is durden square yeah. Gone ten he's also. I have come to a sweeping conclusion. That I don't believe I can be talked out of and it completely against what I have thought and felt for the last couple months. I do not want Portland to trade CJ McCollum wow whoo yeah one game did Soriano now. You could say hey all right good performance against Golden State while only 26 in the first half a great first half against Golden State played really well it'll lead they barely lost that game they were in contention at the end without game. You could say hey of one game change your mind that simple on what if he has a clunker well. I I started thinking about there's a lot because I've that was he really impressive performance by their team it was a moral victory moral victories don't exist when your fifteen and 21 but it was a moral victory I thought we both. To kind of pummeled bridal I think we both kind of we did the right things out of the you'll love the fight he led the effort. And then you chimed in you also hates emails continued to pile up for the same result on torture so it's frustrating from that standpoint but I was thinking a lot last night. Because sometimes watching these NBA games they drive me crazy like watching Yana sensed a combo and game winner I was thinking in my head if you re draft the leaked how many guys would you take over on I thought out after twenty minutes by myself it's ridiculous I was sickness you have issues so posting it up for the last night in all CJ McCollum stuff and just we know how talented he is it's not a surprise we've seen the growth we've seen the development. I just I'm not one that believes there ever gonna get bode. I just don't think that's realistically an option Maryland's no well if you have to trade CJ for Maryland's no I go on and slap anybody in if they know. So Smart deal and I don't know so outside of a bogey which is it realistic to me. I don't think there's anybody worth trading CG four and even if you don't believe. They're not good defense of players and they can't lead a championship. I think the team they played last night gives you a great example. Of if you find the right pieces and this is a lot on Neil Shea shoulders you get the right pieces or have the right pieces. You can't have a backcourt that's scores the ball in bunches like to gain in see you step Curry's a terrible defender yes Shabazz Napier to Kamal the ball million time last night. Klay Thompson's one more overrated defenders I think in the NBA gets a lot of credit. He really isn't that Grady is not as bad as Dane or CJ but he's no great but he's not as great as he's hyped up to be yeah so you have the right pieces. Dream on is a rarity buddy you get her right peace with those two. I love I love the future I love yeah. I agree I agree with the sentiment you're trying to bring out the testimony to a study get a better defense and and I think that is going to continuously be the problem on the issue for new O'Shea is if you cannot Laura somebody in free agency which do we need to have watched that movie again of them with seeing a big time names. If you can't Laura somebody to come sign in Portland take on the income tax income to this city. Instead of going to some place like New York or Miami Chicago Dallas whoever it may be let's just say that's never gonna happen then how do you go find a better defense because the only routes you have or to other routes one island is through a trade in one of us through the draft and if you're not going to trade CJ McCollum. You're not going to be able to land a game changing defender and attic I agree with united if you would have gone out and got Dwight Howard to protect the rim this offseason. If you had a lawyer talk about demon siege no we wouldn't be as big of an issue because then getting beat off the dribble constantly wouldn't be a huge problem because he'd have somebody in the paint that can block shots be there to stop some late. I love listened glumly great offensive player great athlete is not the answer for those two guards on defense so. That would be my retort a year your statement is how do you then approve the back end of that defense that would be a million dollar question that. Literally only Neil oh shaken realistically answer my only hunch or gas on the question. Would be king you'd trade into the draft can you trade in and go find a kid you think his young athletic has the size of and primarily in college play good defense war can you trade your assets. And go get a player that's may be not high caliber 'cause I've said this almost ad nauseam when you look back at the roller deal. I firmly believe that is a huge missed opportunity for our Portland because even roll low. Is substantially better for them in the paint defensively and I think rolled away helps a you don't even have to read a high caliber player that's an all star it doesn't mean Anthony Davis you can go out there and find a guy that you consider a quote unquote role player. And put him there so you would have to give up a gamer CJ blank this seems never gonna have a seat right. Rival and I think it the other question don't have about CJ is what can you get how how how old. Well regarded easy in the NBA in terms of the return that he would bring in a trade and at that would be. And and that's an end and I just don't know and I don't know how other GM's view him he's still young he's what 25 years old I think he's proving himself. Even more so not only this year but in this stretch chancellor has been out he's been playing great basketball he was lights out less than on national TV. So that would be the other question now have is what exactly could a siege in a column fetch you in the trade market because if there are some big names out there. On ticket changed kind of the dynamic in this roster I would still be willing to listen but. This is why this the next couple weeks in my opinion are gonna be so fascinating to watch because right now we talked about yesterday on the show they lost again last night. There's still the tenth worst record in the league so you're looking at potentially a top ten pick year. And that there is three or four teams that are just right the around him you know the lakers are there there's a couple of the teams that are within a gamer to them in the standings so a year. A three or four game losing streak away from having potentially the sixth or seventh worst record in the NBA. Which then can goalie and you a good draft pick in go land use somebody that you need desperately right away because this year's draft class is big. The issue is seven of the next eight games are quote on quote winnable and I know we don't when he used that term anymore. But he got the lakers twice the pistons the magic the wizards and hornets the 76ers. That's seven of your eight next games that if the blazers take care of business they should win those games not saying they will. And that's why I really think the next eight games are gonna decide. The direction of the rest of the season because at 37 games and they have the same exact record that they had last year fifteen and 22 will. Even if you enjoy heed the stretch of basketball the last what 45 games that they haven't had Damian Miller using defensively maybe they've turned a corner. They're playing better the rotating ball movement except Iraq. Even if you've enjoyed it up I'm still I selling the jury's out will see what it's like when Miller comes back in gets in the rotation in people's roles kind of should have to change again. Because Lewis can be sold bald dominated. On but I I I just look at it nice I'm still not ready to say when you read me the schedule you see US meat is Charlie good Washington Orlando yeah. Those teams are buried Charlotte's probably the best of the three judges named. But those are games that before the season we would look dens and when when when when exactly you put a WX maybe sprinkle in a hate the end of a back to back or the fourth game in five nights she get a loss there. For the most part most fuel goggles were wins I'm not ready to say that yet even to beating the team has turned a quote unquote corner. I'm not ready say hate it when the lakers tonight that's a sure when they can lose this game the lakers have young good talent maybe to have a night so. It's still not out for mile and a schedule and say hey they played really close in Golden State that means they're gonna start winning all these giving games against bad teams. I'm not ready to say that yet about this team. I'm not either I just I mean watching these next eight games is gonna tell you where this season goes because is seven of those eight games are against Korda pullback teams in if you go. Three and five and that stretch for example that does in New York it really does I mean on answers the question a where this season is going because so many so many people this year. Have given us the argument guys don't or they started slow last year they started slow and then they turn it on. And ironically here we are 37 games in with the exact same record the had last year of fifteen and 22. And this is right about the time they turned it on so they started last year fifteen and 22. Over their next 24 games last year in what eighteen and six. Do we trust this team to go on that kind of I don't know right in I don't either bubble find out in these next eight games if they take care of business to beat the teams are supposed to do. And 06 into an outstretched then maybe that opinion changes you Sarah Miller is back to figuring it out there are starting to beat the teams and and win the games that they. Should once somebody Texan depends on his health but doesn't is Healy give you that defense of agreed at the five I I said this again I I believe if is Healy was healthy. We have nice we love it and we have nights where we would be texting in in talking about how frustrating it is that he's not consistent I watch a lot of women Golden State. He had moments of lapses defensively where he wasn't great and other nights he would step up and have a big game. I think that's very inconsistent and you're not gonna count on that because by all accounts he is done he is going to have a surgery at some point they're still waiting on that announcement. And most fueling he's never gonna play for Portland so fest is as Healy is an option at the five to help your defense. I just don't think that's realistic anymore no I don't either that's getting it shut down the rest the year in the other day to ask Texas buddies last night it just. And has there been a more frustrating blazer the you can remember in the last ten years in Meyers Leonard. Nick Tim. In the arsenal are a way NIC Batum over Myers sunny and nice and at least put up great now not great numbers may be he didn't live up to the hype that we gave him but he doubted that was the problem he was an all's not all star caliber player but he was a the one of the few guys have put up like 55 and five he wasn't an all star but he was the next tier of guys OK yeah I didn't and that's why would see around the league and how he's a highly regarded he was like why is watching miers suggests you do shake your head on Mike and nightly basis again that dunk last night elect where the hell is that. A year your monster in the paint your huge your bigger and stronger than most guys in the league why are you not doing on the red on the regular yet it's funny I saw that highlight announce like oh hey Myers Bartley took it inside I finally hey dunk on somebody settle for the old midrange jumper and I'll do like and do she flats it's like many should be doing that four times a game I just you know. It's a really frustrating thing I get is the team's not did this year and even if they make the playoffs are to meet inner seven seed. I just really kept thinking about this and I thought you know. If Neil O'Shea who struck out now back to back free agency periods. He's still kind of waiting for that big sexy name whether it's in the trade accelerate draft whenever. It neo say ever does find that third piece I mark this is a good player not serve that's it I mean you know thanks. If he does. And you're a playoff situation in your having a better year and you Damon CJ how much better do you feel like your odds if you don't mean and that's kind of where I came to the conclusion of it's frustrating some nibbling deploying better without dame do you trade see you get a big name. Outside a bogey you can't give me one some say it CD for Jimmy Butler. Now. Why would Chicago Internet deal ride out an email to blow it up they're gonna start over Jimmy Butler is a great player maybe you can make the argument better than and in CJ probably better than CJ but that's O dollars for sure better seed but that's I mean that's still to a certain point a lateral move. I only putting Jimmy Butler on this roster and so CJ out yelling that's a different site and we've got to maybe it makes you slightly better is not gonna put you over the size is on how realistic that is you're basically telling me the bulls might be blowing it up front right which I know they're struggling a little bit but I don't know if they're to that point that tells the ads 0% real out outside of that I just look in essays frustrating is that indeed. I don't wanna I don't wanna ban and I just came that conclusion yes and that's the beauty sports we change our minds all time people bash us. If we have one opinion and then like five weeks later we go the other way all change tomorrow no. You guys do it to everybody does this everybody did this on Green Day I'm so about it out Packers as John Aaron Rodgers McCarthy's getting get fired. Six weeks later on a six game win streak and now I respect and goes super mobile what I Willis and it didn't in the last thing I'll say on this is that you do Damon CJ can work. You just have to have the right roster around that's what I'm saying rally my whole point you could you can use this Stefan clay example first us Stefan player better offensively than Damon CJ it's maybe not even close I will get to play yet but I think LC look at the run they've been on the last two years -- among green a terrific defender and a guy who can handle the ball you had an injured Bogut at senator. A guy who is a good interior defender and those guys helped it hunt for Golden State not available find out how much are missing and Andrew Bogut this year. 'cause they lost the finals when he went down last your entry among got suspended so. Can they survive without guide that seems to pars you have to have the exact right nucleus around them in order for it to succeed dream on is the whole reason my Golden State is Golden State. Clay and staff are great players I would never argue that. They didn't become Golden State until Steve Kerr got there and started playing during mongering that's just a fact I watched Golden State before dream on. I watch Golden State after dream on take there's a lot of debate about who the NFL MVP as. But he recent mock poll with voters reveals their main nine. Much to debate at all as a lot of guys agree on one. Player who do you think should be the NFL in VP will tell you everyone else likes next the first joke is a sports an update. And a girl. Our. This is Durbin spray and John Kennedy the same. Coming up in that fifteen minutes Willie Taggart was on our station yesterday. And he says something that really stuck out to certain myself. So we'll discuss that is got me off fired up on Mountain Dew on market alive. You know what I enjoy about this. I like that in the span of two years you've had to go from light. We're going to play four winnable thing today. Gotta love these cliches and it turned this around man a got to find you gotta find silver linings whenever you can find him after foreign policy under the organ state Gary in some level my man are you find anything and everything he does and saying that's gonna work about a run through brick wall for that I thought that's like I would for Gary so we'll talk about that and fifteen minutes the NFL NDP has been I think one of the more interesting races in all of sports this year. Of just. Who the hell is the most valuable in the NFL with a problem is the most valuable as the cowboys' offensive line and they can't win the award for some stupid reason it really the cowboys offensive I know I've classified him as one I would I mean without the cat where the cowboys be without that offensive line with a rookie quarterback in a rookie running back starting for them. I I know they struggle last year with their terrible back up quarterback stack press Scott has been lights out. Ezekiel Ali I think would be great almost every offense but he's not but not 16100 yards. In Dak Prescott's not have an theories haven't. Without that often as you wanna show how important that line is gives the cowboys the Seahawks line this year seriously what those two you do yeah I if I me you're going from literally the best at ciller said if I can hand out the awards go to more than what I if you can give it to a group of that was allowed I would give it to the cowboys' offense. Will Peter king of the Monday Morning Quarterback he got a panel and now BP hasn't turned in their votes yet because they have to mail in one vote. He got a panel asked the penalty choosy top five. And all the categories. And so they did in BP voting. And our panel consisted of members of the media from the writing staff and MM QB too long time Ethel journalists. Active and former players Jason accordion the titans just recount of the browns. Former offensive lineman Ross Tucker Jeff Schwartz former duck former Panthers GM Marty Ernie and former coordinator Greg Roman. Three pro football focus tape analysts in a slew of NFL network veterans including rich Eisen and Alex Flanagan. And Nene did a voting and what came out. Was a little surprising because it was far and away one guy that the majority of these people voted for Matt Ryan. They think has been the most valuable player in the NFL he got 171 place votes seconds was Tom Brady with six. Third Aaron Rodgers had 41 place votes Derek card this is mind numbing Derek Karr had 01 place votes. And that is that you Elliott had to yeah I did did this year I think and there's such a wide field and I'll listen to you all listen arguments and so many different guys whether it's not Ryan whether it's Aaron Rodgers who I don't think people realize. The type of season and he ended up having a minted to basically have a year that everybody said the Packers and Rodgers were done. And here they are winning the division he threw forty touchdowns and seven picks that is an unbelievable season. And I don't think he gets the credit he deserves the how Derek Carr didn't get a first place vote. Doesn't make any sense to me it and I I this vice hire some people up but I really feel like the NFL. At this point it's almost like the NBA where Tom Brady is the best current league every year and and it is it was a situation where either you wanted to penalize him for being suspended. Or you just got tired of voting for the same guy you're in and year out. That Tom Brady should win I mean what Tom Brady did after being suspended four games. He lost his top target Rob Gronkowski. He came out he went eleven and one as a starter he threw 28 picks two interceptions no interceptions on the road team that only loss is a game that they easily could have won against Seattle like he was on the brink of going to Walt and always a starting quarterback this year. That to me makes in the MVP league in IE. There are times and I think you can penalized if he didn't he missed fourteen what I understand that there are times I think you can penalize guys for that for missing time yeah I'll let there be an injury whether it be a legal issue that got him in trouble performance enhancing something. I don't penalize him for that because he shouldn't have been suspended no doubt I would tell you I was absolute BS in it almost makes me wanna vote for him more friend BP because of the reasoning. This is well I mean look at his numbers right we did the joking thing for a couple weeks on and a torturer falls of Brady Willie finish top five in touchdowns and yards. It was never realistic that that would happen now. He got pretty gym clothes for a guy who missed four games on the rest of the league got four games ahead of you are in this in this era NFL yards would be impossible this guy's thrown for 300 yards every week and he would have to throw for 500 touchdowns way yet -- eight touchdown let me check that again brokerage he had 48 touchdowns which is best is seventh and seventh the only guys at a -- Roethlisberger Doc Rivers Brees Ryan rod I mean for God's sakes he missed four games finished seventh in touchdowns unbelievable season by Tom Brady out. I think most people Aaron Rodgers is catching a lot of steam I kind of have a feeling he's gonna win it. Forty touchdowns and seven picks on lead as a matter run game has offensive line is in great insight rubbing of his defense is their defense is is in grade and he doesn't have a Julio Jones on the outside of throw the ball to. Yeah Christ what the hell easy working I don't wanna penalized Matt Ryan 'cause I didn't see the falcons having this kind a year and he's been phenomenally deserves to be in a conversation but I would vote Rogers over Mara could say that that the Packers have better weapons in the falcons and him with Jordy Nelson Ty Montgomery -- using the Packers no better way the falcons Elway who kills alone is he's real Julio Jones is Mohammed some new scenario really tapered off present a year need only did now being where Randall Cobb is some time he got banged up a little bit mean it was divine to me it was Delonte Adams for a lot Jordy Nelson was great but I always hungry he's acting as a running back in wide receiver and he can bust off of a play at any moment. Julio Jones has enough to say they have better I don't care if it was Julio Jones and a bunch of dirt sat their running routes they have better they have better weapons he only missed two games which was a good thing but Matt Ryan was still able to win those two games which is big and still put up huge numbers. You know the one that kind of but who's to meet on this whole mock voting a weapon whose use Sprague how does Derek Carr knocked that 11 place vote. Would you give the first place vote yes. It would you would vote that you would say if it is your decision ballot I would almost one know if I'm on the mock animals do it out of spite do our best of seven everybody gets a valid so you're saying he would vote freedom first place over Rodgers Ryan. And Tom Brady the Brady thing. The four games missing. Is I think what's gonna knock him out of karma is the last two games. Our game and a half you're right but Brady yes. But I don't I don't Ford's given that he is a solid Seattle to a car had a great era went down the wind when Jimmy G was healthy New England wanted to Arizona and open a year they did I shocks the world JBG is good though. Derek -- misty game and they got Boll raced by bad Denver T let's not compare map a glowing and Jimmy Jimmy grapples gonna be a starter in the league and we really being like Jimmy Jean well one mat with a line is is map point and OK we zoom map of the law his name is mammals but we did know any like Jimmy gee going to air is so how does their card not get one like not one person to Derrick Harvey says he keyword you have to be willing to put him had a Rodgers Ryan Brady I'm OK okay. And a 16100 yard Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah I'm OK when that. Alison yeah he getting a game against the giants the end of the year and they lost yet Derek Karr with Jack bray had a bad game they lost this is one of those situations where you view it you don't wanna be negative on anybody can Derek Karr was like the year he had for Oakland and for them to take a big I feel terrible raider fans and they're going into the playoffs and Connor cook is their guy like that sucks man. Dads have to go through as a fan. But I I would not as good as Derek Karr was this year I if I had a ballot myself I could I don't know if I could put him so I had to run your door Rogers I I would go Tom Brady. Are you would I want a four game I would despite the four games because the forties were not his fault that was asked the BSE shouldn't have been suspended. This is a great year for MVP this to great about I don't like when it's a one guy like Lamar Jackson for the Heisman we knew and after the Florida State like that there's gonna put up insane numbers he's going to win it will it was last year even that close. Like the year Cam -- has let us know him you couldn't all right yeah Kenyon was far away they MVP. The idea that there guys and a good second and Russell Wilson and a great second half of from the start push but he wasn't beating a 51 cameras start to finish it was Camden we have when he had years like that there's not much debate this year. I mean I would vote for Brady but I would listen to arguments for Rodgers Ryan or Brady who wanted to I'm trying to see who won at the year before cam. And probably be Peyton Ara Tom brown and Tom Brady it was Rogers and Rodney fourteen Peyton Manning before that the year he had 55 touchdown which is understandable AT. And in Rogers in 2011 Brady in 2010. Yeah that's it's a tough race this year man there's really not a wrong answer to I think that's the Coke the cool part about it was egos and as dirty Nelson 96 catches Delonte Adams back odd time Montgomery like I'm not. Those guys are products of you take those three oversee new Julio Jones and Taylor Gabriel you you put those guys in an offense with Alex Smith took whenever they open up our love Alex Smith why isn't every 96 catches I think your -- announce a new just a little because he didn't he was okay appoints this year was an amazing Julio Jones is worth two players on the Packers that that's Jordy Nelson Randall Cobb then too right there that's Julio Jones that's one I still have two more for the falcons. You got one more for the actress after I Dovonte Adams I Montgomery at ending in MVP ducks we would debate who has the better three. Timeout gummery I think you have to discuss this is gonna better help write a message that's a product line MVP. Airport does more with less regarded as ours are great offensive line the falcons don't lie wouldn't say Aaron Rodgers is a great offensive line whose most valuable though. You took Rodgers off the package took Ryan off the falcons I think it's equally ugly that's pretty fun a lot of us do what again and I think it's a tough game to play because a lot of us do it back up let's slippery for against like we do like we all do that would knowingly and rightly will look with age it would Jimmy grow up blow if there probably was are starting quarterback what do they do in the first four games. It's not to say it like if you have a competent backup it's added that such a tough argument to make. Yet because you don't cowboys Dallas have a great back Dallas is a great example Downey appeared Tony Romo goes down to get Dak press got right there you fell on an eagle thirteen and three remember they want somebody said MVPs should be the player who makes biggest impact on the deem. Which of those guys would be biggest loss. You can't it's impossible to make that our existence so hard to make it's I saw I think yesterday this is just it's a little different but it's an NBA version of this. There was a mean picture going on now social media it was six players it was a teen Kareem Shaq dunking in Kobe LeBron. And it said you have to choose one to knock out. Amy I don't know how you make the argument for any of them. It's the same thing with the NFL it's it's you're losing with everybody includes the biggest loss Rogers a huge cost Brady right. And now they're all they're all deserving that's beautiful part of this year's MVP race direct Willie Taggart was on our station in. It is really stuck with dirt in myself and it may have been what held the old staff back we'll talk about that next and also. He's close to completing his coaching staff that's next on offense. Teens. I and silence. This is durden spurred you on ten navy though soon. In 2007. I locked into Iraq senator. In the Tacoma Washington area if if you have. And I was playing with a group of guys I think I was one of three white guys the rest African Americans. They know very many album. And I was doing when an iPod so that they turn your iPod on let's play in whoop I sit down that's a good idea of canisters engines on so they plug the speaker and in my iPod I hit play and as we checked up to start the game the first song that played was this little freely and everybody. Immediately judged me. And they started laughing and he said let's just plain silence is known I don't know what the next song is there is no judgment on Montrose a great song. Every we're gonna start playing this whenever we talk Willie tack when ever really tired comes up we played a free Willy teams is he has been free from South Florida at that I don't know what to better than hasta do something and hash tag free Willy yes so Willie Taggart on the prime time yesterday good staff go check it LS front tires podcast. It's really good stuff five to. He's. Getting close to finish Sheen his coaching staff. It's it sits come any other year he's got Jimmy Doherty is the wide receivers coach city to her Michigan. Jim Leavitt of course left Colorado be the DC. A big pick up in terms are recruiting keep Hayward formally LS UU dub and US seat and global ugly red Israel last syllable it was yeah yet after he left USC. Also Charles Clark is a defense of coach he's bringing in the they've got David Reeves who's going to be an offensive assistant. And the higher they announced yesterday was Don tape Templeton running back coach now for the ducks coming from South Florida he has the Twitter handle act coach underscore camp. Yes at coach Kent is his Twitter handle so his staff is coming together still needs to get no C but he told arising in suit he will be calling the plays no matter who he brings in the that was some pretty big news. The other thing wise he's starting to really I think identify a maybe where the old staff started to fail a little bit in terms of recruiting and what he's able to do in his mindset. Vs a lot of that yeah he. He's being I don't know of aggressive is the right word but as someone I'm gonna use it just feels like and I'd listen in that interview yesterday was great. I thought you you've always got to battle coach speak with these kind of guys and and just kind of get past the cliche BS and eyes against who did a great job of that at the end of the interview. He opened up and Isaac Jessica question recent how are you offering so many guys and it feels like you've offered more scholarships in the last three weeks. Then mark coverage offered in four years and maybe it's because are paying closer attention but. Just just he's it seems like he is being much more aggressive in capitalizing on. What some orange ducks fans believed was a national brand he came in said at a press conference this is a national brand we're not gonna settle. Now he's got to come and convince guys to come here I mean just talk until we get them to take visits is one thing. Get a mat then to actually sign you're in a month is another. But the aggressiveness is something that I think was lacking under the old regime so Willie Taggart yesterday he talked about the resource is in Eugene coming from South Florida in what he has and his this. Bulls cool now in Eugene Alex takes lightly a big country you know it is then you would like rule. Basically batteries what is about to get the very best coaches. That she cannot. Armed immediately took about in the right true god give it that help. Put the heart and soul of our our players and I got our car. And a big one that people are gonna be wondering now as he is the head coach coming from Florida having those ties. Also connected in California from his time at Stanford. Is recruiting in the south and how important that is and we just saw this with Washington against Alabama. And just the sheer size difference between the two especially in the trenches the deep into front verses the smaller offensive line at Washington. It's going to be important if you wanna get back to that level and so he talked about recruiting in the south and now organ may be a bigger deal than we have been led to believe. I don't regular partner anymore and I would come guru that you have earned and keep going in again is about building relationships and the thing you want being out unnoticed so that's been here a lot of heated up. But talking especially in the south occurs well the first thing they say it or news is they're in their dream school. In her letter really. Like you already so. Which he would had a lot of it out even in the house. On the crew 011 organ most team that started on a new uniforms and different combinations at Bain and really cheating game in college football. On a lot of songs haven't been seen in there really furlough would emerge at Morgan began and again now it systematic in the market. Feels like he different mentality than any a lot of guys in the old staff would have where they win. Probably offer certain players to think they simply worrying new gene they're not gonna come up hour or so and so's from Louisiana arias from Georgia a rumor has it doesn't wanna leave pass the state of Colorado Friday he's gonna go played LSU or Alabama or wherever it may be in the SEC's selected to hear that it it's one thing it's nice to hear they eat that recruits are telling him that in and we've for that now. From a handful of guys who said into the media where there's been a couple of recruits that have talked to the media out of the upper say the state of Florida. Who say you know organ is my dream school and I think it's one thing. Did that if it sunk in a little bit from yesterday when you realize how young these kids are mean you're talking about 161718. Years old guys that are deciding where they're gonna go to college. And you think about the Chip Kelly Robin Morgan which started in 2009 which was what 78 years ago now so these guys were 1011. 9101112. Years old when organ started that round and kind of became a more prominent program on national landscape and that was righted their formidable years so. The fact that dagger is hearing that it's a great sign and I love the fact that. He's able to get into the living rooms to kids in the southeast and I think he also highlights a good point of the new NCAA rules make it a lot easier where you can allow families to travel with the kid where. May be ten years ago that was. It is something that would hamstring you because you pay the parents will be able to come some kid would come out all the way to Eugene Oregon. He can go back to Alabama whatever state it would be and say hey I loved it the facilities are great. Parents don't know any about Eugene organ I mean they grew up in Mississippi your George yard South Carolina they probably never been to Eugene Oregon or maybe in every minute the West Coast so. The fact that I think Clarence are able to come and granted it's still going to be a long distance it's a much different climate much different culture. The fact that they can come and see the amenities I'm sure is something that's gonna help him immensely he no doubt and I think you have to loath. The the attitude you have to love the approach do you buy though it's one thing to be wrapped up in everything he says in the enthusiasm and energy do you by the actually will make a difference in that. I don't regard I do I do I I think I I do because of the fact that he coached in Florida and I you've already seen it now I said does what he was hired him when he first started to get kids. That's gonna be a short window frame to capitalize on as well we're gimme he was a south for a coach for what four years 34 years so. It was a Nike was or long term but he is built relationships and community he knows the high school football community well. And maybe there were some kids in that area that he was trying to go laughter that's loves him but said in South Florida and I can go play there now he has the backing of one of. Power five schools so Willie staggered by the way is completing his staff trying to get it close to completion I saw tweet from Michael James for the show. It sounds like he may become a grad assistant or he's gonna go speak to him I couldn't tell if he's really gonna go be a grad assistant slash coach for them. But he may be so bringing on one of the guys that knows or can well zen. Guy of war again that's been very vocal about the program in its current state for sure he may join the staff to the other fun and this is so superficial but the other thing that has changed recently around the coaching staff. The south fund those guys are on Twitter. Oh yeah I do you can't argue that haggard left leg lead that was three now pictures are doing snow angels and not let stadium fantastic chancellor south Taggart with a moment motivational stuff that's very superficial lost a payoff but it is another example of change yet this guy says being a black man from Florida compared to an awkward white guy from organ probably helps recruiting in the south is a great point. I mean it just even look at in the pac twelve how many black coaches are there and a black head coach you have in this conference a day job and jump. And right accept. And now look I jagr let at all yeah it's a little via the rank it is maybe you can connect better than what you had with previous regime. Hey calm we're gonna make a little audible here. I wanna talk about Jim Moore for crunch time that's OK you 'cause he said he stupid thing that I just for a head oh no oh Jim Moore is an idiot I'll now end Dow we will discuss Jim Moret UCLA. 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