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Hot 5 @ 5, the national perspective on the Ducks coaching job, and how the Thunder could've kept their trio of Westbrook/Durant/Harden

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Thanks for listening to the prime time with Isaak NC podcast brought to you on the stand by your local less Schwab tire sinner doing the right thing since 1952. Won't. Or. 5 o'clock I'm. This is prime time on football Friday ten may be the band played Internet jet you. This is over football Friday edition of primetime where the ice again soon. Reverend award winning high from series for your football viewing party series cafe in high fresh local village. On 1080 okay. Well organ music like this. In ten minutes we're gonna talk about Travis Haney story. Regarding the origin coaching search. And it's basically. You gotta you gotta remember the Oregon job was filled internally. Each the last what four hires. I don't know we're rich Brooks came from but. Brookstone a lot he bloody day chipped chipped to help fridge was all yeah so you're talking about this job hasn't had a national search. Since the seventies yeah. So. It's always just sort of been viewed from afar by people in college football around the country. Will now that it had a national search Travis Haney. Of 247 sports are wondering is 20% of which were seven sports doc he wrote a piece about what everybody's saying about the organ job and ducked and aren't like it now animal into some of those nuggets here in ten. I also have a story that I wanna get too. If we have time this hour about James Harden and how Oklahoma City really botched. Trading him in could've had surgeon doctor James Harden. Westbrook and Kevin are they could afford off all four yeah I believe and I was a miscalculation interesting article. From sporting news which we'll get to as well. But Jason. Now's the time for the iPod Touch. Odd odd jobs fixed upon opinion this year's shirt greasy hair and the Bonner. You just work. It's time for the odd hybrid fireproof clothing just careful thoughtful I've had five on primetime retires against you 500. No refresh my Laura wood brewing company and crafted beer local food and Jenna brood are. And haven't always Portland's original family friendly blue globe Laura wood public housing brewers he's. Number flop okay. If I told you that our new president elect Donald. She had a position under him. Who would beat you there's nothing new at this point you pointed Linda McMahon. The debt we don't eat Linda McMahon as his leg. Like small business czar I don't know if they'll laugh or cry at honest and we Shealy didn't do divvied has been plagued being. Big big crush small business like the last forty years. And it's skated around like everything that would be good for small business look at this point nothing would surprise. Is not Curt Schilling and Tom Brady. Is not swans grade he's tried to separate himself from it had been artist a sounds like you know press those kinds of things that's going to be here. No it's Bobby Valentine member that'll really really mets' Bobby Valentine neared Mets body downtime being considered for Trump's US ambassador to Japan. What it's getting coaching Japan Yang he's been over there yeah of his he's back here now ladies and was he is a manager is. Better gig by the way to beat him after into a country I feel like that's like my dream job I don't know what to pay. I've ever plays pretty good habits there's a lot of really good Turks and everywhere just kisses that he's been really nice hotels and don't do anything. You Jeremy security up which your ambassador. It's really he's just gonna go to a lot of Japanese massage part hookers and keep up good foreign relation they let Bobby Valentine's certifiably insane yet at all hill fits. On number four the cardinals have signed outfielder Dexter Fowler. Five year deal worth 82 and a half million he knew he was gonna cash in every few left the cubs and last year and was looking around and then. Didn't find anything that he wanted anywhere about why don't the Orioles actually yeah that last minute and then what with the cubs well with the cubs he's not a one year thirteen million dollar deals he knew he was gonna cash in. And he struggled in the post season but he was great for them at the top of that line. Last year and so. Cashed in with the bill division rival. Kevin's got to find the. House. The NFL has expanded its London series for 2017. They're now gonna play four games over there. Did they plea to Merrill Rick. I know there aren't any more deeply three this year and three those who goes to become the most nondescript. Years. They're stupid yeah they're never good teams they never good games I can't recall. Well you know it's ridiculous and there are people cheering for the jaguars do not I I don't recall one good Monday ever. Let jags colts games count them. Wasn't this it here you live in London and you've never been an NFL game New Hampshire Rosenblatt right. He had so they they haven't announced teams had to dole announced this on Tuesday I think he desperately wanted to team for the team over there in England and one of the Jackson yeah. After Rome over their computers and didn't really is if you notice. If Jackson goes the Lundin jaguars are you gonna give a rip and I married and jaguars in London. Become like the London counties Clinton is an initial order to name is the shorter flight from New York or from the East Coast to London and it is from. I play analyst yeah workers. Don't. Mean it's actually not. We think it is so I got to. Team all the way over there. Travel wise. If he can be done still I'm guessing we you'd have you'd have to play around the schedule a little bit and they would come over here and I'm guessing played two or three weeks while stayed stateside zones like you'd have to have a states I'd love for them. Where they can operate out of here though. Maria here we earn 202. Of the team is Charlie Strong gonna come due or again as defensive coordinator. I doesn't look like it looks like he is being lead candidates take over as the head coach. South Florida yeah but I would I would tell you I think Charlie Strong is defensive coordinator would be good news oh yeah he's a great recruiter good defensive guy. They release it seems to seems like pisses. It's noses just I don't organizer really good. It's a really good program it doesn't. This seemed to meet Charlie Strong to be the defensive coordinator here. I'm a little bit doesn't seem right that his dinner real high profile position and that's something that organ he's change yes. Well he's he's the front runner for the as South Florida job attacker just left. But temple also once in a Major Applewhite was hired by Houston. Or law and colts defensive coordinator at Ohio State Luke Finkel is about being coached Cincinnati. And they're also saying that Lane Kiffin may now go to Florida Atlantic yeah which is weird I don't know why you would just stick around. At Alabama friend of year when another national title when you're gonna be one of the hottest commodities. Don't recent meeting get that Houston job was he didn't want to agree to the buyout. They wanted him to be there for a long time which was a sea lanes look at to par lay. His next job in UA big job he knows that a power fight is a gimme gimme game is getting beat a small school for two years and then if he's successful. He's moving on. Nights maybe at London flights a little longer. But still it's not that much on it it's different. And then number one we've got a little bit ablaze. In news here are some injury notes because there but he's getting hurt African meaning was doubtful for tomorrow's game against the pacers. Bubble Berkeley should be good if he's probable and Davis is fine. That's the latest on your blazers injuries they are taking on the pacers tomorrow in Indiana tonight rockets thunder. And it is an early five point lead for Houston. They played two minutes and it is seven to two can I say dare bloom I bring up the fact that Houston one of the finest teams in the Indian a watch. And I find myself. Almost rooting for the Houston pockets. I enjoy watching Houston play that pains me to say because we know hasn't loved to hate these rockets have less him flee years. OK it's not cited five right by Laura wood brewing company enjoy laurel woods award winning gold and mail any canned and six specs are better Beers sold I what are folks nationally. In college football saying about the Oregon job now that they have gone through a national coaching search. The results. Organ fans may not like it but does is such as from one source Travis Iranian 24/7 sport for an article on this more to say what he said. Coming up next on the fan or. Mob. This is a football Friday additional prime time where Isaac can suit to run you MySpace cafe and highs on Canadian Australian and plus. On the night of flight time news Seattle to Boston five hours thirty minutes here nonstop. Austin the London six hours fifteen minutes Pearson not a taunting him. It's not if you find those two coastline to London from the East Coast differences if you're if you're in London you know it let let's see this yachts and every flight. Is is that long words if you're in London yet every flight yes is gonna be that men saw those Seattle travels more. Than any other team any other team but if you're Monday and I wonder what you're you you'd have to play obviously on the East Coast and I mean that would be your division but. Mean imagine if you're in London in your revenue play game not in Kansas City your play any game out in LA and there'd have to be some I would think some. Considerations when it comes to scheduling. And and how you do it you know the extent of road trips and whatnot that you're gonna have to be a little more careful scheduling team from Monday and then you are any eight united eighteen states. Are this is from Travis Cheney trying for seven sports. I'm it says in the wake of Bora in choosing Willie Taggart. Coaches and agents were left buzzing more about what the search revealed in the higher itself. Boiling it down perhaps the Oregon job is not what we thought it was now most people around here. Mean we've we knew this yeah if you're looking at this thing reasonably aegis some of the stuff it's it's not new but it is. Nationally. Because. As he points out in here. The ducks haven't had a national coaching search since the seventies like so some people. Really don't get an idea of how good or bad the Oregon job is at all and they haven't since rich Brooks. When they did that we talked to someone. Just a couple months ago that's that's a pretty. He's a pretty well connected guy with the the whole organ booster culture. And he did say that when their basketball job opened up after he can't that they were and I believe he could be I'm quoting they were humbled. By what they found enough they didn't get a really good cushion did Altman but I think they believe that that job was more attractive than it really was and I. And I thought with the default on job there was a sense of well this is a much better job in our basketball job. And I think they found out that it was a lot of the same components that went into the basketball game with the same being with with football yes so here. He goes on to say several sources have told Tony for seven sports this week that multiple power five coaches pass in the orient job. Win vetted by the search firm in the school and agent indicated that the resources and Oregon are somewhat overblown. Quote the facilities are not exaggerated their ridiculous you've seen them but the money beyond that is exaggerated everything everyone thinks. But it's Nike but it's not like Phil Knight is spending unlimited amounts of money for coaches and quote and that is strip young and we've always known that. It's just I think the rest of the countries now figuring that out like you feel like. It's almost like that T. Boone Pickens Phil Knight thing. Oklahoma State or again having kind of put in the same box by people nationally yep and they just think that T. Boone Pickens pays for everything and Phil Knight is renting it out I mean I can see why people would think that what. It's not like that. No to the point we need points out and we talked about this earlier today Purdue. Is paying more to Jeff Brohm as their new coach and organist for Willie Taggart what you produce. But member of the ducks have paid a Spiegel fab buyout they do but you know when your coach and if your power five coached in your thinking about you know movie to T Eugene. It's not a Ziff three point one or 3.2 million dollars is some sort of financial windfall feed a pack up and go try to do something did a brand new location yes so much that Darren rebel tweet about Phil Knight will and the million and they said that that was ridiculous and they came on and immediately kind of pooh poohed that anyone that was in the know. OK so many are thinking that Purdue. Out did Dorgan heard do. Out did organ think about that Purdue. Well he goes on to say higher end power five coaches. Including an SEC coach and the big twelve coach. It'll take a stab and say that's Dan Munson may be Gary Patterson that I might like Ghandi yeah I would probably be the big twelve coaches that were. That we're poked out. We were largely spooked by the recruiting component organ a number of coaches and agents told us Eugene is. About ninety minutes from Portland and it's not as if Portland is a recruiting hotbed. California and the Pacific rim become vital organs success but that's also the case for every top shelf pactel team. Taggart was pre BC it's never a lot. Some coaches talk about the trepidation of injuring a division with Washington. Seemingly set up for run of success under Chris Peterson possibly Yasser and that the rise of the USC. Stanford is not going anywhere in this is what we talked about. Earlier in the show as well that. There are some people the believe there's only so much talent on the West Coast. And when you have two programs on the rise with seemingly the resource is. They USC and why should you do and a team like Stanford that's also right there. It's gonna be harder than ever to pull you lead talent and be consistently good at another school any finishes off by saying an agent. Added that the college football world wasn't entirely sure how it would violate the origin job because it it never really opened. But when it fired health rich it constituted a new direction and a new moment. For orient now we have a better idea it's a more difficult and less appealing job. Then many had proceed yes so I think much like their basketball search. Just think that they probably overvalued the position and what they were left with was ultimately. It sounds like Dan Mullen. Jeff Brohm and Willie Taggart and if you knowledge of prom. We're not just from that rule met rule Jeff Brohm ended up. I Purdue I'm sorry I'm I was thinking in that role the god and it kind of Baylor. And it did on who you talked do they say they've met rule took the Baylor job over the order job. Yeah that's crazy I don't think many people without that Baylor would be of more attractive job then then or now I will say that. Who knows if the Taggart hires you or not. We'll find out but. The fact that the two finalists were Taggart and rule. That. Surprises me a little bit you know I really thought that they they would get better you better. Well not that did not that necessary that's even in better you just thought they would be a bigger. I did write a better not better not the right word but this guy points out you know the old Dan Mullen thing. Didn't Moline makes over four million dollars a year admits to does it Seattle like camel if they were if they were able if they were able to pluck him. I would viewed that way better than I do you Taggart is the unknown editor Dan Moline in your make you between foreign Ford have a million dollars a year. And your expertise submissive stated he's is get to a bowl game you looking coached there for as long as you want making four plus million a year. No one expects much out of you other than win 78 games. Occasionally put together a nice nine win season. Why would you go to organ when they're offering. 33 and a half million dollars at a place where nine game. Can get you fired. It's just it's it just goes to show you that this isn't. I just agent wasn't bid the cash cow in the attractive offer that a lot of people love a lot of people thought. And by the way we talked about do like the assistant coaching salary is well. The SEC they just spend money. Of the of the entire system pool money and they said that tiger it's gonna have. About 3637. Which probably isn't is a good chunk of money really hit it's that's that Boras assistance yeah offers assistance is entire sisters pool which about 28 in the country. So it's like you're grossly entertain people. But of the top eleven. Coaching salaries staffs in the country. Eight of them exist in the SEC yeah they keep their guys they keep their guys you know ended via the other schools by the way they can that are up there. Clemson Florida State and Ohio State. Outside of that it's LSU it's Alabama it's ain't him it's Georgia it's Tennessee it's Florida it's Auburn yeah they just any I never Mississippi. This is a buck yeah we never we never look deep enough we always is look at the head coaching out the stats are there. Yeah we just because they're just kind of unheralded guys none other names and so we just ignore that but your identity huge component yes in the pac twelve just doesn't. They don't we just. Out here at the budgets are not there like the on the SEC no. If you want trying to keep public trying to do with it with less who is viewed by spending fewer resources I mean aegis. When when Dan Moline makes more than David shot showed the highest paid coach in the title of demo and makes more than David shots at Mississippi State. And when you want some of the coordinators. And you that we know whether it's a rule must cheer for Kirby smarter some of these guys. You know that are that are big name defense recorders or the SEC. There are making a million and a half dollars. Mean it they can sometimes almost as much as pac twelve head coaches be in the the coordinators down some of those SEC schools business. It's it's tough to pull them out and by the way when the other thing that needs to be remembered here as. Time and energy. If you are recruiting. At at a school in Texas or schooling California or down in Georgia or Florida. You are on airplanes flying fortified hours you're going 3400 miles and that's really all you have to go. When you're at school even you know Washington and organ plays like that are even up in the northeast you are on an airplane man you are fine that is a grind. It's not just the difficult nature of giving kids data com. You know couple thousand miles away it's the you have to travel. You have to work harder to sell that kid. Then when you have a kid that grows up in your backyard it's just a tougher ride but it's also important to remember that day in Allman worked out pretty well for organ. And he was I think a very much a Willie Taggart Esquire. So they get three point sixty point seven million for all of his assistants. Tiger knows yet and how many coaches is that you know I don't know how many are actually on the staff fly more than it used to be so defensive corner being the most. Obviously the most. And like the biggest you better be ready to pin and about how much you think a million that it broke him won a million of that inviting Willie Taggart. I do I go away and try to find I'm what eight Abe a brand name defensive coordinator you're gonna pay a million dollars I never understand why people wanna go cheap on that. I just I don't get well he's got to spread it out and he's got to spread three point seven million out you do but oh talked to someone go get a booster to help write that check and go fine. And hammered defensive coordinator and don't go cheap. Pave the damn afraid angle you really tegra it's gonna have this up it's and they're gonna be fine. He can do at a couple different ways he's shown the ability to adapt and you've got. Talent you got a good off at the likely back as a good stable of running backs. And a young quarterback your profits is gonna be fine you'd needs you need help on defense you needed influx of talent from the DC ranks. But you need a better scheme and and get guys they can play for you spend the money go spend a million dollars and get a defense a quarter don't do wood on the cheap. Our I commend next town James Harden probably should've stayed in Oklahoma City because he kept him in the and is calculated it here's Joseph with sports that are. This is so football Friday edition of primetime revise it didn't suit brought to you by say half vampire spontaneity both Fred. Paid big game and in the eighth and ninth. Can that no I didn't know. Even though I said it earlier yeah idle and I was struck him my Houston Rockets. Yeah your racquets his sixth start select the rockets now that there are good and hardens it's good James Harden their just fun to watch. They're out there I don't agree Steve root for Houston because it's an unlikable group but they're fun to watch. You're hedging. You like them no no I don't and James Harden is your new favorite player and you're gonna buy jeans are New Jersey. No because there's nothing that looks worse and you gonna put on over your pressure on big white guys that NBA jerseys nothing so check this out this comes from a sporting news imagine in a James Harden had stayed in Oklahoma City thing about the so you want to see in Oklahoma City even they had Harden was African grant and now you look. Harriman years letters for five years later. That you look at those three guys three of the top five players in the leak and they have them all wants. What would that team be doing had they kept it all together because says Serge Ibaka as well. Well well the idea then was. They got to get rid of one of the to he would choose and they chose to hear of hard because they liked the big guy. In the if they thought he affected the game more than the hard and I'm not the bench at that time he came off the bench he had to be honest James Harden was it. He wasn't this in what are this. But. You know you wonder what he would of blossomed into you on nineteen if he'd stayed well the thought was that. They had to get rid of them. We did not gonna be able to keep them all and so will they outrageous heart and their greatest 'cause like OK that's probably that's you know we trust announced they have to do. Was it turns out that they they did not have to. And this is not been talked about much but the sporting news wrote about it this is from November. It says in a peso in fall of 2012 Harden still had a year left on his rookie deal. So whatever new contract he gets does not count toward. Your books. In the luxury tax Intel. The last day of the regular season of the year of the contract takes effect. Selig all the time where you you know Dana live in the siege able this with a signed big deals but they're still playing under the year old. Even though they have an extension they have to play out their old contract so. His new deal wasn't getting hit the tax bill. For any team. Whether it be local city or another team until the last day of the 2014 season and that's igniting. So the thunder had sixteen months between when they moved him. And the earliest possible moment they would lock in paying luxury tax on Hilton which is why they traded minimum they wanted to avoid. Was it turns out. The financial landscape changed dramatically over those sixteen months a year before the trade the players share a Basque Barr related income dropped. From 57 to 51% that's huge member of that yeah. That's huge for contracts when Donald Trump huge huge. Unbelievable that affected hardens maximum salary and how much money would be in the system additionally the NFL security 63% increase on their new. Network television deal in December of 20112 months after getting a 73% jump from ESPN. In those sixteen months the average team valuation jumped 30%. The president of the aside the president ESPN said the MBA was a critical product for the networks. And beat teams sulfur than record 534 million dollars which is an X yeah 18% increase on the prior. Record warriors sale three years earlier. So additionally a league increased its cap testament twice during the prior season. All the way up to 63 million okay so in February of 2014. Fast forward. The thunder and every other team possessed more than enough information to see Willie was headed financially. And then they got that feel like what two point six billion dollar TV deal yeah which they estimated that thing in about a billion they got more than double that. Out of their TV deal. But they wouldn't have known that time I suppose. I guess you ages it would have been a risky move the TV contract wasn't announced until October of 2014 a threat but in February 2014. They knew it was gonna be bit via CD you know exactly be using eBay. So then it goes on sale all of this is to say that by the latest that the thunder could have traded Harden without financial hardship they would've known about the expanding finances of the league. Combined with the still limited contracts of that time they even could assign hardened for his maximum without any real fear of long term implications. With a little maneuvering they also could've kept Serge Ibaka the player who committed who. The player whose commitment often is used as an explanation for why defender could not afford to have kept hard. That was always my. Understanding is they had to choose between Harden and block and they thought they are he had scores in ball handlers in Durant Westbrook. It wouldn't been enough shots and so they went with a guy that could could anchor the defense in this all would have been able to happen without. The repeater tax without for its for the high spenders they would have avoided it in Vinny goes on her to point out that the thunder also had the Ed amnesty provision. That we know about here gay Gary well got to get rid something they never used it. And and there are suggesting that they should use it on Kendrick Perkins who made nine million dollar and it was terrible their remembered Perkins came over in the Boston thing that was that was the Jeff Green right. And that was supposed to be like they're kind of their debt their final PC was gave me the senate to let me was if I total think he was terrible and tell. I think he was pretty good for a year was seen many many decline may have had a year but he never materialized. There in Oklahoma City he was supposed to be the anchor of that the interior of that team has been never happen if they'd used amnesty on Perkins it would have washed away all but five million of hardens increase price tag that season. See you could have had the older you get that you Golden State what are they called the they call their smallest of the death lineup now. You could they had the death trying to be years before Golden State ever attempted it. Well and it's funny you guys bring this sucks I literally thought about it a couple of days ago this if I'm Durant would I rather take a Currie in Klay Thompson and their prime or Westbrook and Harden and improve. Will you could ahead you could ahead I don't know who your little Barca would be your center exam would just run death ball more I'm now Zaza Pachulia that might be the kicker there I'm wrong weren't. While he's got Damon green. Answers and then I guess he's growing Mara let's say with throw the other guys out and just just keep it simple that's years and got those for you got. Terry Thompson or how has broken Harden in their primes because. If those guys are and their crimes during Dobson it's a good question I. I feel like both Harden and Thompson. In both scenarios cutting it short and a mistake because they're excellent scorers who just there's just not enough shots to go around for everyone in Russell desperate. Is the biggest ballroom all of those I got would lean towards Golden State just. I wouldn't he just for the defense they Clayton. And that's what Klay Thompson does not keep critically Thompson good defender. And dream on green is eight. Phenomenal defender while what was breaking and can defend you they can do I think I might lean towards Golden State guy if you if you gave you gave me Klay Thompson. And and Currie entry among green I think I would take that over Westbrook. Harden and in a box he I did you get Kevin Durant either what it. The other way get a second or third best player and he just joins whatever threesome you want I would go Golden State as well just because of the types of players the types of guys at those two guys are Westbrook and Durant didn't. See I'd I'd. Yeah and but maybe if you at the river to the big never had a real coach there. If you would have taken it Steve Kirk got everything little thing with Steve Kerr got to go state he got everyone to buy into their roles. They weren't. The goals they words as we know them until it's Dusty Baker got to there you could you have done that if you had a better coach in Oklahoma City is opposed to Scotty Brooks. Payroll the ball out there and see what happens well that's a sporting news they could've done it. But they didn't. And it's a miscalculation. And what on earth with the thunder be. Now if they cannot Westbrook Durant and Harden NBA champions. You know you that they at least have one you'd think. All right 545 coming up next to on the Heisman the year you were born. Heisman Trophy weekend on the to. This is our football Friday edition of primetime revise that didn't suit brought to you by saying hey I am hi. On 1080 those friends. And he all right. This is something you should know who won the highs near your born I had no idea you don't know. I'll tell you you're born 97 era was born in 1978 you get Milli cents. Congrats Oklahoma. Yet. I get Archie Griffin. I win that yeah well well to back them and yet but he wasn't any good in the NFL. You're any in the NF no I was not and I was not good at winning nights in truths what year was young Jo-Jo born there over there but I feel like Billy slims Billy Sims Afro should put mine over the top. 1992. Sooner. Your BV moon geno terror at a local money you Miami great gene hunter and you have the short end of the stick us you know. A guy comparing after us and I really feel like Billy Sims Afro just that much better than Archie Griffin's. Make Archie had a strong throw but it. It's no Billy Sims after I'm sorry for those view born in 1968. And win the jeeves and that the one. That the worst ties ms. The guy down you don't wanna be associated with that DM GB did you sort of the most Roger stomp out was a murder I don't think he will pay a whole lot of other stuff like is it called art American hero I'm just saying. Where does millennia old born in the Johnnie football highs near. Sure they'll be taken now will be NRA diamonds also Dearborn in 2012. And I want our highest and where knows that while. Looks so much for off the field character and not a lot of bad highs and like I'm trying to think of like them worst modern day. Highs in true view Mark Ingram. Ingram was good he might he's pretty good like man sells probably the worst. Thank as far as being human being or overall we're just like I don't think you're like really really Johnny Mann Zell won the Heisman Trophy you know Jason white. That's a big relief when I was teams. Tebow won national titles. If you think Tim Tebow even heard of me I'd really Jason white when highs reassure those Jason white had. Pretty human Troy Smith. Maps also Goodman do any worse will rest in peace or shots arm throw it out and what ended up happening there's a suicide is that really. And in the decrepit party as you know what they're gonna find. Me just you know I mean how many more people have to die is. I just I don't think it's agree mr. anymore and I'm sure they're giving examine they're gonna find a rotted out you know brain inside his that's his that's stakes. Hey com one other note. Because we don't have any college football this weekend yeah except for army navy I was looking back at the pre season poll. By the way it is Heisman weekend and he cares about that now because it largesse is gonna win although some people are saying that maybe. Just may be to Shawn Watson. Can indeed be the devils after that the Lamar Jackson have like Heisman moment. Well this year Italy. It always talk about scores if you intelligence or his moment is probably the Florida State game when they laid seventy on amber ma he was awesome in the floors that it has the first half like that the Heisman moment comes later in the season like that decisive. Yeah I don't know what else happened. Yeah that's the problem. I could if there was someone else. Did Dave big Dave I think you're looking to give to someone else and there's not anybody. Guys scored 51 touchdowns and you get through for fifteen and yards and ran for 3000 years and have it. Mean his numbers are ridiculous he is didn't yeah didn't have the win loss yet let three losses as we we talked about last week the last Heisman. Winner to win it. And their team lost their last two games you gotta going back to the fifties. Saying it's Iraqi Heisman winners don't like kind of clout on them the year that there just turn it I think this is gonna be one of the weaker class. Now lies and show you finalist that you can pick players but you're right in terms of the seasons that they hunt yeah. I'm betting US looking at the pre season polls. Does funny go back and look and see who they picked will Christian McCaffery no on site not the lone as a sake as the favorites were Chris McCaffrey and and when Watson yet exactly and one of the won't be on stage. Will we hate pre season polls yes I will give the pre season Polska I think it's easy to. To identify the elite teams Alabama's gonna wire wire act Alabama is wire to wire Clemson was number two. And they got that right there number two three was Oklahoma four was for staying fire was Ohio State so they got three of the four college football playoff teams right the pre season polls yet the only one they missed was Washington and Washington was what seven yeah they are top ten for the year they were fourteen to the one I looked really OK I think is the AP some of those those and an ever hire them when they were top ten so it's not like. Yeah there there is no great mystery there hey one of our dear friends has stopped by I think they know always a good to be a dear friends and sort of toxin beer coming up next. And I've got to go to my wife's Christmas party tonight yeah you're very you're cleaned up the lettuce is local dealer yeah as disheveled than you normally are I don't look hung over now. Give it time. So. 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